Hello everyone, I had a quick question: What are the best durable and Best shingles out there. They also must offer a lifetime warranty. Which ones out there are the ones that most pro roofers (like you guys) use?
Thanks and God Bless.
Nice, do you do all those agape?
I sell and put them on... not very often. yes. Am doing decra on new construction in a couple of weeks. i really really like the capstone. lays down awesome, and really looks unique.
those arent my pics however. i just grabbed em off the net.
Definitely DECRA. We are doing one in 2 months.
Got to agree with Josh and Jason on this 1 DECRA is top of the line only put them on once would like to do more
Decra is a really nice product but ive never installed it.
I just did my first Landmark TL roof and i really like the product. very thick, great colors and is a 50 year/lifetime? shingle. only disadvantage is it is slower to install so i would charge more labor for it. Also you must have the shingles warm before you put them on and you CANT bend them or they will break in the middle because of the three layers. other then the basic precautions they look amazing and really stand out. they are thick just like presidential but easier to install. but again, Just much slower then 30-40 year.
Where on a roof would you be bending them?
Decra isnt a shingle?
What is it then?
decra is a metal shingle.
dont walk on it.
its allrite i guess.
gaf for fiberglass shingles
There's Decra batten system (villa tile) and regular shingle. It has granules and looks like a shingle.
lol. i know its a metal shingle. thats what im saying. even tho its metal, its still a shingle. i pictured the wood shake looking decra.
and you can walk on them just fine. just have to try to put most of your weight at the top of the shingle. ive been on a few, never dented one, and im 240-250lbs depending on what i eat for lunch.
My mistake, I have always thought of them as a metal roof simulating a tile or shake apearance. Never knew they had a shingle looking style.
Well today I installed some GAF Prestique 40's, this is the first time in I don't even remember when (it's been a while) that I have installed a GAF shingle.
All I can say is that I am thoroughly unimpressed...
The only thing consistent about these shingles was their inconsistency...
They all varied in height, some were 13 1/4" like they should be, those were the minority...
The rest varied from 12 3/4" up to 13 1/8, these were by far the majority of them.
On some of them there was a 1/4" difference from one end to the other.
How somebody can lay these out straight is beyond me.
We snap lines 22 1/4" apart, this gives us 1/4" of slop to work with over 4 shingles.
There were a few lines that were 1/2" off.
I checked the lines to make sure we didn't make a mistake and the lines were dead on.
This is a 1/2" off over 4 shingles, after we already gave them 1/4" of slop...
I personally cut the stagger pieces and followed the package instructions to the letter, 6", 11", 17".
What I got for my trouble and anal ways was a bunch of staggers that were less than 5"...
Not only am I not happy about this I am kinda pissed...
I have had problems like this with GAF shingles in the past, which is why I don't like them and don't sell them.
Maybe this was a bad batch I don't know.
What I do know is that not only won't I sell them I will strongly recommend against them.
I don't remember them being this bad.
And boy were they thin.
This is supposed to be a 40 yr shingle and it is thinner than a Landmark 30.
I am confident that a Landmark 30 is going to far out last the shingle I installed today.
It was bad.
This is going to leave a bad taste in my mouth for quite a while.
I thought the Prestique line was supposed to be better than the natural shadows, if this is the case I would hate to see what they did to the natural shadows.
My Lord it was bad.
I think somebody needs to weigh these shingles and see what they really weigh.
Funny you say that I had a similar experience last week. I helped a roofer who is a friend of mine shingle a house last week with GAF Timberline 30 and was very disappointed with their quality. A very thin shingle compared to the Landmarks.
I had forgotten why I dislike GAF shingles and always sell Certainteed.
shingles are just like vehicles ,there all junk at one time or another,no body knows if the roof you put on 5 yrs ago using your favorite shingle is going to fail today,every bundle is like a box of chocolates,millions of sqs of shingles go out every year and theres gonna be some bad ones slip through,different shingle perform better in different climates,i remember when they stopped selling the old organic 25 yr 3 tabs in texas due to the blisters from heat,and the only place that you could get them was up north,im not partial to one brand although i do like the IKO 30yr,(i know no body else likes them sorry) every year i contact the major manufactures and ask them to send me samples for residential sales,IKO is the only one that goes all out the fed ex me a live board of every color 25 yr & 30 yr i bet they spend $200 on shipping alone,it makes it easier to sell a product when you have a real sample instead of a picture
I find that Certainteed easily has the best quality control.
I can honestly say that I have never had **any **issues with the Landmark line, of any kind, ever.
I recently had a batch of Landmarks where every other shingle had the laminated portion misaligned by a little less than 1/8".
The dragon teeth hung below the main body of the single, it was consistent though.
We had to snap our lines @ 11" to correct for it and the roof still came out perfectly straight.
This minor defect was rather common with Cambridges, Oakridges, and Timberlines.
Probably still is...
Packaging plays a role here, the Landmark shingles are more tightly wrapped and hold the shingles in alignment in the package much better.
The GAF shingles are not tightly wrapped, as a result the shingles move in the package and the sealing strips become misaligned with the release film.
The result of this is that sometimes the shingles will seal together in the package.
When you go to pull the shingles apart they are sealed together and they rip.
So now you have to set these damaged shingles aside and sort them so that you can use them in valleys and on rakes where you can cut off the damaged portion of the shingle.
More time wasted dealing with a defective product.
But I suspect many simply don't do this and just slap them on as is...
In the GAF packaging there is always one shingle that has the sealing strip seal to the wrapper.
This makes it more difficult to remove the packaging and the shingle that has packaging sealed to it is unusable, it has plastic covering the sealing strip, so if you install it, it won't seal, it can't...
We throw this shingle away with the packaging stuck to it.
You don't have to worry about wind blowing the wrappers around because there is a shingle stuck to it.
Kinda like if you have your teeth knocked out you don't need to go to the Dentist...
When you open a package of Timberlines there are always a lot of excess granules.
This makes the roof slippery and is a safety hazard.
I don't suppose this has anything to do with Timberlines losing most of their granules in 10-12 yrs...
Even the pallets the Certainteed shingles come on are of higher quality.
The boards on the pallet are more closely spaced so that the wavyness you get from shingles on the bottom of the pallet is less pronounced.
Compare this to a GAF pallet and you can see why there are threads on roofing.com asking "why is my roof all wavy", "how long before the roof lays down", etc.
I find it very hard to believe that an actual installer likes these shingle.
The only conclusion I can come up with is that they simply have not installed Landmarks and they just don't know any better.
This is normal for them and they are used to it.
I can see how salesmen likes these shingles, they don't have to work with them and GAF is very helpful to the salesman in pushing their products.
All that being said, the GAF shingles do look nice and once the uphill battle of correctly installing them is completed they will perform just fine.
When the granules start falling off of them, well we can just sell another roof.
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