One of my biggest fears as a shingle roofer is the felt tearing beneath me, and sliding uncontrollably off the roof as a result.
Standard 15# felt is dangerous to the roofers IMO.
It has a low tear strength and usually a poor walking surface.
Low wind resistance also, no matter how many fasteners are used.
It shrinks and tears away from the fasteners also.
This is not an issue if you are able to shingle over it the same day, the tearing danger is still there...
Roofer select is an excellent product as Dougger pointed out.
However I don't use it on existing homes because It has small holes in it, not a lot of them but they are there, consistently.
I use roofer select on all new builds, where potential leakage (before the shingles are applied) is not an issue.
I don't notice it leaking on the new builds, despite the holes, I just am not willing to take that chance on an existing home.
If it weren't for the holes in it I would use Roofer select exclusively for all roofs.
It is the best felt on the market, it lays flat, it stays flat, it holds up to wind very well, it doesn't curl or bubble, it has an excellent walking/working surface, it holds lines very well.
Roofer select has 2 downsides that I am aware of, it can be itchy to work with and it has small holes in it.
I find it hard to believe that all the roofer select users here have not noticed the holes, they have been there since the products inception.
Next time you use Roofer select pay closer attention, you will notice the holes, as I said there are not a lot of them but they are there and they are potential leaks.
I have told Certainteeds product rep this from the beginning, they have done nothing about it...
I don't like shinglemate because the surface is a bit slippery and it doesn't hold fasteners as well, it doesn't cut very well either.
Shinglemate feels kinda thin also.
I am not too impressed with the 30# that has been available to me either, it doesn't have holes in it though...
Like many of the regular posters here I am not looking for the cheapest materials to do the job, I want the best, and I am willing to pay for it.
Jobs are not sold on price, they are sold on quality, value, and trust.
This is not a commodity...
Doug is right, this is how you sell quality, trust, and value.
I always list the brands of material on my bids, I use these brands for a reason, I believe in them.
The labor to install the roof is the largest percentage of the bid, the cost difference between cheap materials and quality materials is rather small given the entire scope of the project.
The value added by using quality materials is significant.
Unfortunately there is a market for cheap roofs.
Many times people buy what we sell them, they just don't know any better.
It is part of our job the explain the difference and why we use what we use.
If you present yourself as an experienced professional most people will listen to you.
As a result they will get a better roof and we will get a better price, good for everybody.
/End of rant/ Let the great felt debate continue... :roll: