Roofing Business Talk
I was on a roof and someone driving by wanted me to check out this rental house and give him a bid. He and his son will tear everything off and replace the tar paper, drip edge, I&W etc. Its a 21 sq 2 story house with about an 8/12 pitch and its all cut up. I think it has like 6 gables. Then the garage is like 5 sq one story obviously with a 8/12 pitch. I told him I could do it all for around 3k. He was shocked. He said he can get big roofing companies in this small town of like 8k ppl to do it for like $30/sq. I told him fine but there is no way im doing it for that cheap(<$800). He started arguing with me on the phone that its way to much blah blah blah and that he would do it himself for $3k. What are LEGAL companies charging for new construction shingling????
whos supplying material, nails, and getting rid of waste?
LABOR ONLY with my gun, hose and compressor. And he has a skytrak to get the shingles on the roof.
I could find subs to do it for that, with work comp, all day long!
now... i wouldnt SELL it for that to a customer. I'd want $60-75/sq. lol
when customers tell me im "too high" and that the next guy said he would do it for thousands of dollars less, i just tell them "maybe im not the right roofer for you" and walk away.
$30/sq does not even cover my labour costs for shingling alone....
I agree.....$60/sq minimum.......
If i was told $30, my comment would be, that roofer is working for barely wage and good luck finding them if you have a problem a couple years down the road, then hand him my business card with my repair rates on the back.$85/hr + materials.......
most landlords are cheap
Twelve years in business and I've done less than five rentals.
Sure theres guys that would do if for that price but that doesn't mean you have to.
one dollar per square foot if they supply everything. New work clean deck. rip is another dollar at least.
Agreed, and couldn't say it better.
The problem is ..They could care less if the other guy has anything,They are only looking for a cheap job...and that is what they will get.Initially cheap,but it costs allot more to have it done cheap 2 or 3 times....
Heres an idea. Do it for that 30 a square. Make sure he knows that there is no liability insurance or anything. Then fall of the roof of the lower part. Then call a laywer!
Whenever I do jobs on the side, I always write in the contract that the homeowner understands this is a cash only job and no insurance is to be used. If any damage occurs to the house or any injuries to anyone working on the roof, homeowner accepts full responsiblity.
Anyways, I wouldnt do it for less than 2 grand and thats if I were by myself and it was a side job.
Liability does not coer injuries, only damage to property. Workers Comp covers injuries.
BamBamm, I do not know your local laws, but around here you'd be a criminal. Don't worry though that's how more than half my so called competitors operate and nothing seems to happen to them.
haha Grumpy I know. I meant workers comp. Had a brain fart. I would have to say that roughly 6 out of 10 guys operate that way and the homeowners have NO IDEA the problems they would have if anyone did get hurt on their jobs.
a walkable new construction roof[labour only] would cost me 40 a square, plus 11% WCB. Then add on 30% for the company and it still doesn't seem like its worth my while. i guess thats why i dont get new construction jobs
thanks guys for all the input. I was totally shocked that he would even be that pissed and argue with me on the phone bc i was giving him a quote where i can make a decent wage. There was/is no way im doing any work that cheap unless its for my parents. Its not worth my time getting up on a 2 story "UN-walkable" roof for 30/sq. It does however piss me off knowing that there are people that will work that cheap and take work away from ME and other people that know what they are doing and have insurance.
I get the occasional new con. but it is on my terms......not the cheap contractor.
Cash deal? I would go and put 10 sq on. I'm sure I could bring a friend or two to help with the rest.