Shane@Aspen wrote:

Well anyone with the volume we do that is the hardest part to get right... I see alot of quality workmanship here from the crews who have been around a while and the new ones are learning...some the hard way. But the key is customer service and making sure it is done right! Check OC we are the best of the best. Largest installers of OC shingles.

Does the company you work for install a lot of the Oakridge Pro's? Inspected a 7 year Oakridge Pro 25 year roof with a ton of cracks recently. The old Supreme 25 year three tabs were good shingles though. The Duration seems to be a good shingle.

SHaking my head when i never attacked you. But i will say this I was pride so i dont think i argued with myself, i know maybe i forgot to take my meds.
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GTP - Well thats it...sorry been a while but I remember you fighting with people and knew it had to do with pride roofing. Your gonna say you meant nothing bye your innuendos about storm chasers when nothing was mentioned about storms ..just a guy asking for work and you made that comment.

Dougger...sorry thought you were in New Orleans but that was robert I believe. You are saying the guys who install your roofs are less than you??? I have had my own company and got sick of the headaches. www.newageconstruction.bravehost.com . I have installed maybe 5 shingle roofs and 8 standing seam roofs in last year trying to stay busy before I went to work for Aspen. Would your guys stick up for you like I am for Aspen? If yes why hate? If no I see why. You say that people on this forum dont like people like me ...I am a roofer and the reason I am here is because of that. I am done talking about if you like me or not...you dont get to chose if and how someone operates...sounds to me like you have a control issue. lets talk roofing techniques and help each other and homeowners. Bottom line thats what I am trying to do... how about you? I apologize if I offended you by being on YOUR forum.

Shane@Aspen wrote:

GTP - Well thats it...sorry been a while but I remember you fighting with people and knew it had to do with pride roofing. Your gonna say you meant nothing bye your innuendos about storm chasers when nothing was mentioned about storms ..just a guy asking for work and you made that comment. Dougger...sorry thought you were in New Orleans but that was robert I believe. You are saying the guys who install your roofs are less than you??? I have had my own company and got sick of the headaches. www.newageconstruction.bravehost.com . I have installed maybe 5 shingle roofs and 8 standing seam roofs in last year trying to stay busy before I went to work for Aspen. Would your guys stick up for you like I am for Aspen? If yes why hate? If no I see why. You say that people on this forum dont like people like me ...I am a roofer and the reason I am here is because of that. I am done talking about if you like me or not...you dont get to chose if and how someone operates...sounds to me like you have a control issue. lets talk roofing techniques and help each other and homeowners. Bottom line thats what I am trying to do... how about you? I apologize if I offended you by being on YOUR forum.

My workers really like working for me. They get paid top dollar. For example my father who's been roofing for 36 years gets paid $50 an hour. My Uncle who's been roofing for 25 years gets paid $40 an hour. My brothers both work for me too and are paid about the same. In my family tree there are a lot of roofers, three own roofing business's. Not sure why but for some reason they have very little work while I can't keep up with the work load. Luckily it's easy to convince them to come work for me.

Don't think my posts are a personal attack because there not. I made a post in regards to how storm chasers operate I didn't imply that you were a storm chaser. You saw the post and sort of flew off the handle, you could say. You attacked me said I ran to NO for work. The fact is Minnesota pays amazing insurance prices and I love it up here so there would never be a reason to leave.

All I do is roofing though so my scope of work is limited although I have a few good friends who are general contractors. If the claim is complicated I hand the job over to one of them. They give me the roof for the insurance dollars and they give me roofs in return. One seems to only have friends and family who resides in 1/2 to 1 million dollar homes. When they need a roof I get the job every time, works well for both of us.

I could never work for anybody else. Been self employed for 10 years and love every minute of it.

I apologize then Dougger. There are those that take advantage in storms and those who try to help and make money. You can tell because the ones who ask for money b4 the job is done or charge ridiculious rates either dont know or are taking advantage. I know I get no money till the job is done and get fair market value on the job ..RCV..I use xactimate to scope the job. You work storms and ins claims so you know. I help the home owner through the whole claim. All companies that work storms are not bad. There are bad and good..just some take advantage of the HO and they are the ones making it hard for all of us. Again I apologize and lets agree that we both love what we do or we wouldnt be doing it.

You took what i said the wrong way. I have not fought with anyone in years. It is true to watch out for sotrm chasers. They have a history of not paying and leaving the homeonwer with a mess. I have been asked to work for them before and have turned them down. If you want to just pick a fight with me move on i have better things to do.
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120 project managers in Houston alone
$25 Million in sales last year.
Sounds like top heavy management to say the least.
I can understand the mentality of management
in a 25 Million/ year sales organization though, when things are busy.....but when things slow down...who ya gonna let go? subs are subs.....dispensable....
but as far as management...history repeats itself...recently...sooner than later.....just remember Diamond Exteriors. or AMRE...or Installed products USA...or At Home Services HD/ milk it while you can.

Understandably, it is your job to recruit good help...
you should be so lucky as to find a sub from
this forum. We all have the overhead that keeps us from having the ability to be profitable at your piece work rates, unless we are able to walk away from our previous commitments, advertising, office staff, insurance, employee benefit programs, etc...
I am sure that we would all agree that ...day for day....with work lined up for endless projects, without having to do anything but nail shingles...
we could all make a great living, if we worked alone. Factor in all of the overhead that we are required to obtain, and maintain, and add that to the cost of doing business...we might as well NOT work. Considering all of the issues affecting state wide insurance programs, especially for roofing and waterproofing trades, add in the interstate aspect of emergency work such as Ice storms, hurricanes, etc, and i would be willing to bet that the "loop hole" mentality of insurance, workmans comp, etc is
dominant throughout most organizations.

And as far as, talking out of my #rse, ....back away....
I worked in a 42 Branch organization with annual sales of $360 Million, with only 84 supervisors and enough vice presidents of BullSh*t to make your head spin. Hardcore installation failure issues dominate the industry, instant and immediate remedial solutions such as total replacement factored into the " Cost of doing business" could be decreased dramatically, if installations rates were re-considered, and responsibility for quality left in the field, rather than on the desk of some 120 field project managers justifying their necessity
in the corporate structure to assure success.

I have never felt, in all of the business structures that I have worked within, in this industry, that the owners and corporate goals were of any long term intention. If someone came along with an employee-owned corporate business plan, and an employee-based installation program....then chances of long term success and longevity might be possible, but the "we've been in business for over 3 years, had sales of $25 Million and you can count on us to be there when you need us" sales pitch doesn't hold much water when competing with the small local shop that has been in town for 50-60 years.

kind of reminds me of a Nick Nolte, Eddie Murphy movie....

"Listen up.....there's a new roofer in town
and it's name is Aspen Roofing...ya hear?"

Oh yeah, and as far as being the largest in the US...
IPUSA/Home Depot had sales of $53 Million in residential roofing installations way back in 1999, and have increased sales by 15% every year since being acquired by the parent co...Home Depot. followed closely behind by Lowes. Like it was said during the political debates of recent past...
you can put lipstick on a roofing pig...
but it's still a pig. You're preaching to the choir here....

Check the dunn and brad street numbers on us...this year they expect 54 million ..second full year. We also give an OC waranty Platinum on top of our 2 year. Before you comment look at the platinum promise from OC. avg life of a roofing company is less than 5 years...oc has been in business longer than any of us.

The 120 project managers are salesman, insurance claim spec and oversee the job and collect the check on each of their jobs. They handle it from start to finish except for ordering material and scheduling the crew. This includes meeting the adjuster and filing for supplements. We have an office manager and production manager at each location (3 in houston) then several sales managers. This company was formed in 2006 it is still growing. I am not sure on exact # of crews but I would guess somewhere around 30 out of my office in Laporte. We only do shingles in Houston. Sounds like you have some experience in the large commercial arena. We dont really slow down because we draw from all other offices to support the areas that need it. I know we are very strict on our ins requirements with the subs. I know we would be lucky to have some people of this forum to sub from us but its perfect for a winter gig and it helps these people here get a roof on...whether its for us ..yourself or someone else ....if you are slow think about coming down.

What I've heard from adjusters from Texas is they pay peanuts down there. Never downloaded a price list from the huricane area but have heard adjuster state $125-150 per square. Right now my material cost averages from $140-160 per square. This is of course with 2+ rows of I&W and fiberglass felt.

Shane, do you have any information on how to become a OC certified installer? All set up with Certainteed and want to stay away from GAF.

They are payin 265 - 300 just depends on extras. Check with the OC rep at your local supply house. They have the ins and outs for your area and amount.

The only place I know who sells Owens Cornings are Monkey Menards. They don't have reps.

No ABC reps? Go to OC website and request info.

Ok this arguement has gone on long enough who cares.
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