wow someone got defensive. I also doubt you could come into my neighborhood and do that. We recently had one of those "storm" chasing companies come into my neighborhood and I went to every house that had their sign up in there yard and told them what they really are all about and 7 out of the 9 switched to me and one of the other two is already having problems and asked me to look at it and I told them I cant. That was two months ago btw. I actually have enough work to keep both of my crews busy until early next year. The salesman and I usually try to stay about two to three months ahead with work so I do not really need it. Thanks though. I must be doing something right since I just hired two former owners of companies who could not make it. I am right where I planned on being at this time.

Maybe you guys do it right. Maybe you dont. I do not know.

Also, rednecks do not live in my part of Wisconsin. Chill out.

I also forgot to mention that when I said go down to one crew I meant one ROOFING crew. I have a crew that does siding as well. The other roofing crew will get split between the first roofing crew and the siding crew. That means the siding crew will have five guys, two of the roofers that have also done siding for years and then the roofing crew will have six because houses need to get done faster because of weather constraints. Then once spring rolls around everything goes back. Get it?

Well anyone with the volume we do that is the hardest part to get right... I see alot of quality workmanship here from the crews who have been around a while and the new ones are learning...some the hard way. But the key is customer service and making sure it is done right! Check OC we are the best of the best. Largest installers of OC shingles.

More like offensive....bet ya wouldnt steal mine..im glad your makin it...So we both learn not to jump to conclusions. I hate people who take advantage and steal from the homeowner. So if thats who your talking about fine but just because a company is big doesnt mean dishonest. Thats the difference...there are some out there..aspen, excell, and a few others. We were here b4 the storm. I only drove 2 hours. I evacuated also.

Hey shane, dont go patting yourelf on the back to hard there.
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Seems like some of us is out of context please get back on track ..

thanks have a nice day guys

Shane, Answer this question HOW MANY ILLEGALS WORK FOR YOUR COMPANY AS A SUB CREW. You need to be truthful with yourself before you can be truthful with others. I as well as many other roofers on this website have been at the same kitchen table with the same homeowners before and after they interviewed a salesman who works for Aspen. You don't have to lie or hide, We know your companies game. PERIOD
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I'm in the middle on this subject. It seems that everyone wants to jump to stereotypes that all big companies rip people off and use illegal workers. On the other hand "Mom and Pop" companies are complacent and lazy within their respected community. Neither is true but in order for us to justify our jobs and the companies we work for we automatically assume the other guy is wrong. When your company is as big as Aspen you are bound to have illegal immigrants work for you its the nature of the beast. I own a midsize company (3 Million/year) in Michigan where the unemployment is the highest in the country and I can honestly say that I have a VERY hard time finding good workers. I don't EVER employ illegals knowingly but I'm not numb to the possibility that I have at some point. As a business owner i can only follow the guidelines that are required by the good old USA, any further investigating into an individuals background would expose myself to a whole web of discrimination laws that I want NOTHING to do with. In the end like Shane said its about honoring your warranty with the homeowner and from what I can see Aspen does that.....

I am the one being attacked so site admin can boot me if ya want..I am entitled to defend myself just the same ...while these bozo's are sitting on their a$$ collecting unemployment or banking on the jobs they have done already this year we are helping homeowners ere keep from having their ceilings fall in. We are making money also ...thats what it is all about or else you'd work for FEMA and donate your time..I have customers who are extremley happy with what we have done for their house and if the only thing you can dream up is illigals then so be it but that is a common problem down south with the roofers who existed in houston b4 the storm. All things said if you sat at a table after a Aspen rep thats why you are bitter because you cant be honest you have to try to find fault with us. I could care less what you do because it isnt as good as we can. I have already seen Aspen stand behind their work and ripp whole roofs off because it wasnt done to the customers satisfaction. I worked for a mom and pop in florida and got ripped off for my money along with my homeowners so dont even go there. Most companies in texas sub out their jobs. Like Leak proof said we monitor but all we can do is what USA says. Be prejudice and check them cause they are mexican...???? Maybe we should see if you are really canadien.. This is why I always hated Roofing.com because you get attacked more than anywhere else....it is a racist site. Site admin emails ME saying dont take things out of context and stay on topic...because I make a post for someone who is looking for work and get slammed as a no good storm chaser. GTP has always been about attacking people since 2005 when I was on here all the time so when he responded as he did I reacted. Then Bam Bam and Douger chime in..ask yourself ..who have you helped?? Not the guy asking for a job.....not any homeowners here who dont just have some granular lose do to hail hits but leaking roofs..just your ego because it is a hit to your self esteem that someone can do more and as good or better than you! NUFF SAID!

Im not really offended by anything you said in anyway. Good for them if they are that big of a company and I mean that but I dont want to or ever plan on being that size. I guess that one thing I do not understand is why you are incredibly defensive of them and have so much to say about them when, no offense, you are just another name on the payroll to them. Maybe you are more important than that, I do not know.

Honestly, I never even heard of Aspen before you got onto this site. What I do know from what you said is that you have a ton of crews and salesman and you go into neighborhoods where storms were hit. I do know that the kind of companies such as that around this area are frowned upon because of many various reasons. Maybe you guys are different and are putting very good work out there. Just feels like you are the one attacking the members of this site who have been around a lot longer than the both of us and have gained respect.

Btw, Site admin said the same thing to me.

I apologize then Bam Bam. to you> I have been here a long time. I was here when GTP was new and him and Pride went at it. I was Shane@RRS. RRS ripped me off and was a mom and pop. I know I am more than a name on the payroll to LC..thats the owner..His motto is do the next right thing. I am defensive and started that way because GTP made a passive aggresive comment and talks out his neck on a regular basis and tries to make it out like the other guy should be understanding of his inuendoes. Then you slammed us and dougger fell in line. Each of us has a purpose in the grand scheme of tings and I dont hold any anomosity towards anyone until I am attacked. I learned how to roof in Rochester NY so I know the difference between there and here. I understand the prejudice and dont agree with it. My ancestors as well as yours had a start in america somewhere unless you are full blooded native. its just their time. just because they are brown with broken english dont make em illegal. We would all get along if we worked at the same place because each of us cares about quality or we wouldnt be doing what we do how we do it. Thats why i back Aspen..they walk the walk. They are registered with the BBB everywhere they go and are fully licenced and insured. Go to the OC website and look us up. 17,000 roofs in 3 years with 3 complaints. I have watched this company hand out more money upfront to employees than most companies payroll for a year. I have gotten paid exactly what was due when it was due. If not more. I have attacked some but I apologize to the rest and those who deserve it.

Take it with a grain of salt Aapen . btw I worked at Elmer Davis Roofing way back when in Rochester when the union in Boston sent us there.
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Shane@Aspen wrote:

Well I have been in roofing a long time and have many projects I have sold and installed myself...I am very anal about installation techniques and customer service. Aspen is hands down above anyone I have seen or worked for. The owners last name is Nussbeck. Marty owns APEX. We dont chase storms they come to us. We are in 34 states ... kinda hard not to be there. If I was in your hood bamm bamm I would sell more jobs and build jobs faster than your redneck a$$ could count. At least I can help the guy out with some work huh? Im a white boy in Texas and I work for $50 a sq when I was roofing. weren't you chasin storms in NO douger?? I aint been on here in a while but thought that was you. I dont recall you being born in minnesota...BTW we aint politicions ..our signs are in our customers yards ..thats it. Dont hate ...participate. Its all about a system...Robert Kiasaki ...read it. You arent a business owner only self employed unless you can sleep every day and still make the same money..like sam walton who is dead and still makes millions each year.

WOW!
I've been born and raised in Minnesota and personally have shingled hundreds and hundreds of roofs. Third generation contractor and every job I sell, do, whatever comes to me by my reputation. I own my company, built it from the ground up. You work for a company right? Enough said there alone.

It's funny that most posters/members aren't on your side of thinking here on this forum or the other roofing forums you post on. It seems as though most members on these roofing forums are roofing conctractor owners and not simple workers making what's that $50 a square, LOL!!!

I'm glad though you are proud of your boss and what he's built. Gotta give you a pat on the back for that.

"Chasing storm in NO Douger"??? What does that mean?

You need to leave the PC for a while start pounding on doors and get some more people signed up. This way you will be on your way to making a million dollars a year which seems to be your biggest motivation.