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GL1




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: bait and switch with low estimate Reply with quote

I've got a question on a roofing estimate and final bill.
I received a verbal estimate from a long time roofer in our area, Northern Michigan. It was a decent price on a small roofing job so we double checked that it included materials and labor. We were assured it did. There was some added labor, taking an old chimney down 24" to just below the peak, a sheet of OSB to close chimney hole. Anyway here are the details of the job to the best of my knowledge.
7/12 second story roof
31' x 12' area
no hips or valleys
removal of rolled roof & chimney
installed water & ice, felt and 30 yr(?) shingles
verbal estimate = $600
final bill = $1450
We have no contract.
I spoke with a retired roofer in the area who said that was a rip off. How would you handle this bait and switch. I realize the estimate didn't include the chimney and osb. How do I address this bill that is 2.4 times the estimate?

Sorry if I've left anything out. Just looking for some input from the roofer's point of view. What would a fair price be?
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Lefty




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

$2900
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G-Tape




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in Grand Rapids area, and I would be around $1600-$1800.

You owe him more money.
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johnk




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you must have misunderstood his contract.That price couldn't have included material,does the guy work for free?As far as the chimney removal,it should not have been more than 2-$300,for the ten or 20 minutes that should have taken.A fair price is what you got I figure,I'm with g-tape on this one 1600-$1800+tax
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johnk




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lefty wrote:
Hi,

$2900
Wow,$700+ per sq,thats what you get thats incredible Shocked
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-Axiom-




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-Tape wrote:
I'm in Grand Rapids area, and I would be around $1600-$1800.

You owe him more money.


I am in Northern Michigan and I agree with G-tape.
Though I would probably be a little cheaper than G-tapes estimate, good ballpark for sight unseen though...
Maybe not.
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-Axiom-




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnk wrote:
Lefty wrote:
Hi,

$2900
Wow,$700+ per sq,thats what you get thats incredible Shocked


It is more than just a shingle job...
When is the last time you took down a chimney?
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dennis




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Lefty meant 2900.00 to remove the chimney. The rest of the work was free.


(not the kind of job to price by the square)

GL1, if the work was done well, you got a good deal.
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-Axiom-




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chimneys: sometimes you can push them over, sometimes you can beat on them for hours...
Sometimes they hold part of the house up, literally.
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Lefty




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Are you only doing one side of the roof?

Unless one side of the roof is 6'x 15'. He did say the chimney came out the peak.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No price is final until contract is signed.
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GL1




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your input.

Just to clarify it's only one side of the roof. Total SF is just under 372.

Chimney was only taken down 24 inches and only because bricks were falling off already and there is no need for it. Could not have taken more than an hour to remove. Actually I'd expect 10 minutes but everything takes longer than it looks like it would.

Estimate was for labor and material according to the roofer.

Materials come up to $363 (retail at Lowes).

I actually have taken down a chimney recently and it took hours. It was however eight feet poured concrete, not 2 feet of already falling down brick.

Thanks again for all your help. I'm not looking to stiff the guy in anyway and truly believe in paying everything that he is owed. How would you react though if we agreed to 1450 and I only paid you 600. You'd probably be a little...

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-Axiom-




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Materials come up to $363 (retail at Lowes).


Whether you realize it or not that says a lot...

Did he do a good job?
Did he clean up well?

If so pay him and thank him.
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GL1




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS. The pictures are before and after. In the bottom of the second you can see the amount of tear off that is in the lower left corner. Just the lower portion was taken off for the ice & water and no debris removal was done.
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tarface




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe,just maybe.verbally he said sixteen hundred and cut you a break.Sure the materials at lowes cost under 400 but are they going to put them on the roof for you,to get all that stuff at lowes probably take you 2 hours and 6 shopping carts.
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